Our kids adored him. This is the first time they've lost anyone close to them, and it's tough. We're doing all the things we're supposed to be doing to help them, but it's one of those parenting moments that you're completely unprepared for and is exquisitely and uniquely suckish.
The kids are responding as kids do -- or anyone, really. There is heightened anxiety, and then everything is fine, and then we're laughing, and then someone's behavior goes down the crapper.
How much of this is the grief and how much is that things are generally out of whack, I don't know. My husband was gone for a few days last week to be with his father and his family; his absence threw the kids off, let alone the reason. There are times when they seem to be trying on different responses to the loss of their grandfather, looking for the one that fits them best.
And then there's Little Dude. At first he did not seem to react at all to the news of his grandfather's death. Except that maybe he was losing himself more often in spinning Lego minifigures in his fingers. And there are differences in his behavior: he's more irritable, more frustrated, quicker to melt down.
There isn't much out there about helping autistic children deal with death. The few articles I found online seem to have all ripped each other off and been cribbed from one small scholarly paper written in 2001 to help special ed teachers prepare autistic kids for a loved one's death.
Every one of the available articles mentions how in one school, some special ed teachers helped an autistic boy with a terminally-ill father process the father's inevitable death. The teachers bought a whole chicken at a butcher shop and brought it to school to show the little boy. They named the chicken "Charlie." (Every article mentions this detail.) They explained that Charlie the Chicken was dead and then they buried it and put a cross on its tiny little chicken grave.
I am totally not doing that.
First of all, Little Dude's grandfather has already died. This isn't something we can prepare for, it's something that's already actually happened. Also, as sad as we are, there's no way anyone in our family could conduct a roaster chicken funeral with a straight face. Plus, my kids once tied a leash onto a plastic play-kitchen chicken and named it Chicken Bob, so that adds to the weirdness.
Secondly, we eat delicious chicken in our house. It seems like naming a chicken something other than "Dinner" and burying perfectly good food outside in the yard is only going to confuse Little Dude more.
I would just like to point out that this is totally typical of the "WTF" non-advice advice that you get as the parent of an autistic child. While role-playing can help lots of kids prepare for life's weirdness, I'm 100 percent sure that this chicken gig would put me over the edge of insanity. And that's pretty much the extent of the advice out there.
In fact, if you Google "autistic children, grief," what you get is a metric f-ton of articles about parents grieving over their child's autism diagnosis, and almost nothing about helping an autistic child process grief.
I emailed my friend Amy about this lack of helpful information. Amy, who writes the hilarious blog Pregnant Chicken, also has a son with autism. Her response was:
Figures. The more I read about autism, the more I want to punch someone in the face. It will more than likely be the next person that tells me I have to watch Parenthood because "one couple has a little boy with autism" or that I need to watch Dr. Oz because he's doing a show on autism. I know they are trying to help so I just nod but it's like someone pulling along side me in a boat as I'm swimming across the ocean to tell me they make something called "water wings."And that is why I love her.
I tried different variations of my Google seach -- searching for autism and loss (found articles about autistic kids who wander off), autism and bereavement (more on Charlie the Chicken), and autism and death (scary-ass stories about autistic children dying).
As is so often the case, we're winging it, judging moment-by-moment what will work best for Little Dude. We are including him in all the conversations we're having with his older sisters; talking about our favorite memories with their grandfather and looking at photos together. We're talking about what it's like to feel sad, and respecting that people express their sadness in different ways.
Mostly, Little Dude is craving time with his own daddy. With four kids, it's always a challenge to make one-on-one time work, but we're doing our best.
I'd love to know what has helped other children -- particularly special needs children -- through the loss of a loved one. Please leave your suggestions in the comments section below this post. No suggestion is too weird (not even burying chickens) or too small, because every child is different. You never know what might be useful to another family.
Maybe the next time someone Googles "autistic children and grief," they'll land on this post, read your comments, and find something that helps.
I'm so sorry for your loss of your father in law. I'm sorry that you are trying to handle your child's grief without much help either. I wish I knew something, anything.
ReplyDeleteSo sorry for your loss.
ReplyDeleteMy son with Aspergers went through this phase about a year ago when he was 7 where he didn't want to get older because he didn't want to die. I didn't know what the hell to do with that. I'm not sure what your religious views are, but we're Christian so we fell back on that -- told him that everyone dies but when they do they get a new body that looks just like the one they have but better. Then we told him he wouldn't have to worry about it for a long time and prayed to God we weren't lying. We also told him that dying meant you got to be with all the people you love who have already died and again prayed to God we weren't lying about that, either.
So I guess basically we played up how cool dying is. Oh God. How sick is that? I better go make another appointment with the therapist.
I hope someone out there has some magic words for all of us with kids on the spectrum.
Best wishes.
I'm really sorry for your family. My thoughts are with you.
ReplyDeletePoor little dude, but I think you're right to take it one step at a time. I mean death is something we all deal with differently. And you guys know him better then anyone.
Do you think it counts if I bury the boneless skinless chicken breasts, instead of like a rotisserie chicken?
First off, I am so sorry for your loss.
ReplyDeleteI wish I had words of wisdom for you about this. My elderly father died exactly a year ago, and I still don't know if /how/how much my son with autism has processed that. And then my mother-in-law died in October. (Yeah, 2010 not a popular year in this family) I wrote a LOT about my (sort of NT) son Ethan’s processing of his grandparents death, but barely at all about my (ASD) son Jacob's because, well, I often have no idea what is going on in his head. He is verbal but has significant language processing issues. Really struggles to both communicate his thoughts and ideas and to understand what is being said to him.
I know he no longer expects to see his grandfather, as he talks about going to see “Grandma” where once he said “Grandma and Grandpa” but I have never heard him speak of death... actually until last weekend. We were at my husband’s cousin’s house (actually for a shiva visit, since his elderly aunt had just died) and while they had once had two dogs, a mother and daughter, they now had one, as the older dog had died recently. Jacob kept asking for the “two dogs” and we had to keep telling him there was only one now, And suddenly he seemed to “get it” and kept saying “Mommy dog is dead.” Now what this meant to him? Hard to tell. Also it was tough because he’s repeating this loudly in the house of someone has just lost HER mother. Sigh.
Death is such a damn abstract thing, and abstraction is exactly what Jacob has such trouble with, as it’s so language based. He CAN get abstract concepts, but we get to these understandings through tons of repetitions and all sorts of odd channels, and sometimes I have no idea what has made things finally “click for him, have absolutely no magic formula. We draw and write a lot of “social stories.” I look for parallels from movies and TV shows which he seems to absorb better than “real” situations.
I wish I could be more specifically useful. You’d think I, of anyone, who blogs pretty much about Autism and Death would have a handle on this – but no, I’ve got bupkis, just sharing your bafflement. I’m so sorry.
I will keep checking back here, to see if anybody comes up with anything brilliant, though. And thanks for opening up this dialogue.
You have my deepest sympathy, but I'm afraid, I don't have much to offer that will help except to say that my daughter expressed sorrow as anger years ago when my mom died. We did not have her diagnosis at the time so we were baffled by this.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I'm sorry for your family's loss.
ReplyDeleteSecond, I love what Amy at Pregnant Chicken said.
Third, I wish I had some sage words of advice, but we too are floundering with this. Both our boys are ASD to varying degrees, and we're still trying to sort out my MIL dying a couple weeks ago. The 4yo just wants to go back to Poppy's house. I guess what he took away from it was seeing all the relatives and having everyone spoil him since he's the baby. Our oldest, we're still not really sure how he's dealing. He doesn't show his feelings a lot. He's told us, his BCBA, the other guy he sees at school, and the guidance counselor that he's OK. As his mom, I can tell he's not. He did get mad and punch a kid at recess last week. He seems to be better since then, but it's not a course of action I recommend. Maybe one of those inflatable clowns to punch?
My condolences to you and your entire family. Keeping you all in my thoughts as you learn to make a new way for all of you with this change.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry for your loss
ReplyDeletea friend of mine used the book "What's Heaven" by Maria Shriver to help with her son...although it's not based on an special needs child, she thinks it helped for him, again what they did for/with him was based on his cues as far as the normal progression of the "activities" that a family does in rememberance.
I recently lost my brother to illness, and he did not want a funeral but wanted a 'party'. So I am preparing my own Autistic son for this celebration of his life. I am going to try and find the book and see if it helps for my son.
I am sorry for your family's loss.
ReplyDeleteMy husband lost both his parents within the last two years. Our children are very young and it made it harder to explain the concept of death. My 5 year old has autism. At the time, they knew the story of The Lion King and that Mufasa goes into the stars and clouds... so that's where Mimi and Poppi are. When you get REALLY REALLY old, you can get sick and die and then you go to the stars and clouds. When you are in the stars and clouds you are really happy because you can look down at your family and watch them grow; you can also help them have good dreams at night. When my kids miss their grandparents we look up into the sky at night and they pick out the Poppi star (it's actually Venus b/c it's really bright, easy to identify, and in the same spot most of the time) and I model talking to Poppi. I tell him I miss him and that I hope he's happy and then I tell him about my day, etc.
This seems to help, but my kids are young (5 and 4). As they get older I'm sure the story will have to evolve. Good luck -- the whole situation sucks -- there just isn't any other way to put it.
We have dealt with death a little more from afar up to now, but I would say Little Dude might need some added assurance that his little family isn't going anywhere or dying right now. Being all or nothing in his thinking, my kid woud probably at some point start worrying about Grandma, Mommy, Daddy dying, etc. If we got past the very confusing abstract principle that someone is dead, but is now in heaven thing. I think remembering the good memories is a great idea. And when I talk to my kid about heaven, I remind him we don't hurt anymore. Of course, then I have friends with kids who wonder why they shouldn't want to go to heaven RIGHT NOW since it's so great. So maybe don't build it up too much. *sigh*
ReplyDeleteI unfortunately have no helpful coping suggestions, but I wanted to pass along my condolences. So sorry for your family's loss.
ReplyDeleteWe had a death in our family, just about a year before Julian was diagnosed so he was around 7.5 years old. My grandmother lived with us for four years and had made it just past her 88th birthday. In our case, we had a few weeks of time before the event to talk about death and what that meant (a luxury, really) and I'm not sure how Julian would have dealt with things if we hadn't had those discussions or that time.
ReplyDeleteAs it is, when my sister called from the hospital to tell us that Gramma was gone, I told Julian. His response, "That's sad. I'm hungry!"
He did have some questions about what happened when you died, mostly about where your physical body went and what happened to it - those questions are much easier to answer than the spiritual ones. :)
I'm really into biology and we often stop to observe road killed creatures, just to see the clean up crew - we have particularly beautiful carrion beetles here. I'd previously introduced him to the idea that when something dies, all of it's parts become part of something else, eventually even on an atomic level - you became part of some other life. He seemed very comfortable with that idea.
I don't know if he asked anybody else, but he did ask me a few times when I was crying, what I was crying about and I tried to be very specific, "I'm thinking of the time Gramma did X or we did X with Gramma" and why something like that might make someone sad, or even happy, even though when someone died usually it was a sad thing but that when someone lives as long as Gramma (and is really old) there are also lots of great memories that can make you laugh.
We never had a big shift in behavior, but we also didn't have a funeral or any memorial, per Grammas wishes. Gramma passed away over the summer and Julian had a harder time with the general transition back to school and dealing with that that the actual death.
My dad just died and it's been very hard on my kids. My 7-year-old ASD son has been particularly upset, and has expressed more sadness than I've ever seen from him (he listed all the reasons he wished his grandfather hadn't died). Unfortunately, my kids barely knew my dad--he lived across the country, and who can afford to fly a whole family back and forth, rent a car, etc., even once a year? So that makes it even worse.
ReplyDeleteMy kids are very young, but still understand they've missed out on something they can never get back. It's heartbreaking.
My sister-in-law, whose mother died last year, had her kids write loving notes to and about their grandmother. Then they bought a bunch of balloons, tied the notes on, and let the balloons go. It's better than the chicken thing.
We lost both my mother in law and my father in law within the last year. My kids (8 1/2, with AS and 7, more NT) and I talked about the good things we had done with Grandma and Grandpa. We told them it was ok to be sad and even angry sometimes; and that G. and G. were in heaven with the other family members that had passed before they were born. We talked about what they thought they were doing in heaven. I think what helped the most was making sure they knew that Daddy and I were feeling the same way. My daughter was much more vocal in her grief and talked a lot more about it. My son not so much. He kind of took what we told him, accepted it as truth and went about his life. He did have a few nights when he cried at bedtime and told me he didn't understand why he was still sad if G. and G. were happy in heaven. :( Every family and child is different. I would say the best thing to do is take your kids' cues. They will need different levels of support at different times. Which I know is hard to do when you are out of whack yourself, but I think you will be able to tell if they need something; if it is just a talk and a hug or something more, like counseling. I would also say be prepared for a second delayed reaction in a few months. We ran into that with my mother in law who passed first and unexpectedly. Death adds another level of "difficult" right on top of our normal crazy over here. I am sorry for your family's loss and hope you find the path through the grief. Know that you are not alone!
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ReplyDeleteI can't offer any great words of wisdom because I do not have a child with autism. Just love him - which I know you already do in amazing ways - but do it a little more. Just like you are doing with your girls - in the ways they need it, only more. And I know you already handle his "moments" with grace and will continue to do so. I love the ideas of the stars, like in The Lion King. It keeps the one who is gone with us, just in a different way!
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry to say that I don't think I have any helpful advice for you. Except to stay away from that whole chicken thing. How weird is that? My youngest still hasn't made the connection that chicken nuggets come from actual living chickens... post-living maybe?... Anyway, you get the point. Instead of helping learn to grieve it's more likely to cause issues with eating.
ReplyDeleteMany prayers to your family.
ReplyDeletePregnant Chicken is hysterical!
I can only say what a friend of mine did with her son, we'll call him B, that has autism after a grandmother passed on. First there was much love and extra patience as the grandmother was the care taker while mom and dad worked. B had to adjust to a new person coming in everyday. Fortunately for them mom had vacation days and took off a week to make the change over a smoother transaction. The new caretaker and mom went to the store and bought balloons then went to the park with B. They talked about all of the loving things B and Grandma use to do and how she was still with them. Then released balloons to send to grandma in heaven. B misses grandma as its only been a year, but they have released baloons to grnadma whenever B has mentioned wanting to send one to grandma.
It sounds corny and wierd, but he seems to be okay. He still talks about her and says his good night prayers, but now his prayers have turned to talking to grandma. I'm not sure of your religion or beliefs, but this helped them.
My brother has Autism, but as you certainly know--every kid (autistic or not) is so different. Give yourself a little pep talk that YOU know your kids, and YOU know what to do for them! As their mom you really do know more than any expert citing any routine.
ReplyDeleteMake sure that you are keeping the basics in your day...social stories, clarify routines,etc., all of the things that you would do to help Little Dude through any type of stressful situation.
There is an amazing organization here in Michigan, Ele's Place, which is a place to help grieving children. They are experts in helping all kids with grief, perhaps they could have more professional wisdom? It's worth a call.
your sweet boy will grieve in his own way and in his own time. it may take weeks, months, years before it hits him- it may even take the death of another person less close to him for him to finally be able to grieve for his grandfather- it did my kid. However, when it happens expect the worst, hope for the best and use plenty of love when requested and distance when needed. That's all anyone can do.
ReplyDeleteOkay. Forgive me for getting all "religious-y" on you. If this advice is inappropriate or inconsistent with your family's values, than just disregard it.
ReplyDeleteThe pastor of my church (Fr. Joe Kempf) has a whole video series that he does which is very popular in the Catholic community starring a puppet he has named "Big Al." Big Al makes an appearance at every mass (including our wedding ceremony!) and basically "waters down" the sermon/gospel message for kids. Plus, he's often really funny and generally *I* don't understand the gospel message until Big Al spells it out for me.
However, before Fr. Joe introduced Big Al, he created this book and video series called "No One Cries the Wrong Way." There is a section that is devoted to explaining to children how to deal with grief. It's been around for awhile. I've actually never watched it myself, but my parents did to help us cope with my dad being given a prognosis of "Six months at best." And, I have no lasting scars...I don't think.
My condolences to you and your family on your loss. Helping any child, no...any HUMAN understand death is a lofty undertaking. Good luck and God bless.
Here's the link to his book...
http://www.amazon.com/No-One-Cries-Wrong-Way/dp/0159011930/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1300712956&sr=8-1
(Also, I receive no money for suggesting that to you even though I do know him. It's just something that helped me a long time ago.)
Sorry, but I disagree with your suggestion of using Fr. Joe Kempf books or CD's. He is someone who spends a lot of time working on his non for profit Gospel Values, Inc. However, he is a terrible person on a one on one to help with any personal problems. That being said, I would not value anything he writes in a book. To me he is a phony!
DeleteMy deepest condolences to you and your family. We read a nook called AARVY AARDVARK FINDS HOPE. This is a beautiful look at death and bereavement. Good luck with everything.
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry for your family's loss. My dad died just over five years ago, and we still all grieve for him and miss him dearly.
ReplyDeleteI think you're doing a great job with embracing your grief. Grief turns ugly when people try to squish it down inside them and not let it out.
When my dad died, we released balloons at his funeral. All the kids who were there (and lots of the adults!) got a balloon to release.
Now, whenever we have helium balloons, we release them outside. Usually, my kids will kiss the balloon and maybe say something to my dad, "We miss you, Papa!"
We still talk a lot about him, what he did, what he would think was funny with my boys, something he said. That helps all of us. My boys were very young when he died, but they still all have memories of him, probably partly because I've reiterated the memories that they do have over and over.
My dad was a Christian, and everyone in our immediate family is a Christian, too. We know that we will see him again one day in Heaven, and we all take great comfort in that.
My condolences to you and your family.
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts come from life experience and autism experience but not kids with autism grieving experience, so I hope I'm on target with my suggestions.
Grief is so tough to deal with for so many reasons, not least of all because you're trying to help your kids through their grief while you're going through your own.
Social stories are a wonderful tool, and not just for children on the autism spectrum. For kids who can handle a certain amount of flexibility, adding one new thought to the story each day can allow you to adapt it to what you're seeing and what you might be seeing and what you think you may see in the future. "Some people feel X when their grandpa dies. Some people feel Y when their grandpa dies. Others feel Z when their grandpa dies. Some people feel X one day and y the next day. And just when they start feeling happy again, boom, they feel Z."
Keep in mind that for some kids on the spectrum, expressing the emotion they feel may not work out as planned. They may feel sad but laugh hysterically instead of cry.
The rule for grief is "everything's okay". Whatever expression there is, including none at all, is okay. Talking openly about it, crying openly if that's what you're feeling, and using certain phrases repetitively will help.
Whatever explanation you choose to give, whether stars in the sky, living with God, or something more detailed like the body becomes dirt, but the soul, like a dream, is in the air so he's with us all the time, in our thoughts, watching out for us... whatever it is that makes sense for you. It doesn't matter so much what you say, as long as you say it often.
I would suggest, though, to keep your child's thinking patterns in mind when you choose your words. If he creates fears easily, focus on Grandpa dying, not "people" dying, in order to minimize the fear of "who's next". If he's very, very literal, then "living with God" may not be the best phrase. Maybe "no longer living, but our memories of him will live as long as we talk about him."
Good luck. Don't forget to take care of yourself, too!
I'm so sorry for your loss. I can only offer one tidbit of advice for dealing with death with children. I can't take the credit for it, I actually saw it on an episode of Supernanny. She gave the family a small chest and each family member could put in it something that reminded them of the grandfather. They each also got a notebook each where they could write down anything they wanted about the deceased. A happy memory or a 'note to' the deceased. They all sat around and shared what they had written down and put items in the chest that they could remember him by.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was a really nice way to deal with the grief, for the adults as well as the kids. A photograph of Little Dude and Grandpa would be a great start for him to add.
I'm really sorry for your loss. I don't have any advice; I'll just share with you that we learned this year that apparently for at least a year one of the wakefield twins thought that "cremation" involved eating the body, and she was upset that we couldn't partake because we are vegetarians.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Death-Illness-Teach-about/dp/1932565566/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1300715230&sr=8-6
ReplyDeleteI love the idea of releasing balloons and am equally frightened of the idea of burying a store bought chicken.
ReplyDeleteMy children have only processed the death of pets and great grandparents, but from a very young age my now 10 year old ASD daughter grasped the concept of "dying is part of life" as she so eloquently puts it. While that might not feel useful to you now, parents of younger children may find it helpful to start the conversation now. My family has found it helpful to talk about and plan for what happens after a death a regular conversation (not in a morbid sense, but it's a normal topic of conversation not something forbidden or only for certain occasions). It doesn't take away the grief you feel, but it has made us feel less shocked by loss.
I think processing grief for an ASD child is like everything else they do, sometimes you can use what's out there for everyone else with some modifications and sometimes you just have to make it up as you go along. That's the beauty and the burden of our lives.
Recently my daughter sent a card to a school in Sendai, Japan and in it she wrote "I'm sorry for what happened and for the people who died, remember you will always have them in your heart." And through your own grief I hope that is what you and your family can hold on to.
So sorry for your loss. We have been working to prepare our son for the loss of his grandpa who has terminal cancer and I've decided that its really hard to know what they are taking in. Bugs were the easiest way for me to show something living, now dead, not coming back. As for what that means we found a beautiful book that makes all of us feel better when we read it together...its open to interpretation so you dont have to believe any one certain thing. Its called the Next Place http://www.amazon.com/Next-Place-Warren-Hanson/dp/0931674328/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1300715519&sr=8-1
ReplyDeleteThis book has some general thoughts:
ReplyDeletehttp://books.google.com/books?id=pmS4fBT4kf4C&printsec=frontcover&cd=1&source=gbs_ViewAPI#v=onepage&q&f=false
It's info is:
Children's encounters with death, bereavement, and coping
Corr, Charles A.
Title: Children's encounters with death, bereavement, and coping / Charles A. Corr, David E. Balk, editors.
Publication info: New York : Springer Pub. Co., c2010.
Physical Description: xxv, 488 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
ISBN: 9780826134226 (alk. paper)
ISBN: 082613422X (alk. paper)
Also try:
http://books.google.com/books?id=7R4KRKPy_AEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
As many have said, every child is different, with autism or not. Unfortunately, this is one of those things that you kind of have to wing and trust your instincts on. You're obviously really good at tuning in to what your kids need or you wouldn't have all the fantastic stories and insights about them that you write about! A loss like this is nothing like losing a pet and I certainly don't have any better advice than so many others on here. I will just tell you a quick story about my son (Asperger's, ADHD, anxiety, OCD) and the day we had to put one of our beagles to sleep a couple of years ago. Death has always been a very open subject in our house because my dad died when my daughter was only 3 months old and I never hide the fact that, even in small ways, I still grieve for him 13 years later. But until our dog was ready to go, the kids hadn't experienced death first hand. Nothing you can do before or after truly prepares or helps them handle it because they all process so differently. My daughter (also Aspie, 10 at the time) only wanted to keep Lucky's collar in her room with a picture of him. She quietly mourned him and focused on the fact that he was not in pain anymore. My son, 8 at the time, processed first in a much more logical, analytical way. The first thing he did when he saw Lucky after he'd died (just minutes later at the vet's office), was open his eyelid to see what his eyes looked like in death. Then, he asked if the poop had come out yet because he'd heard muscles relax. He was just asking what came to his mind, which made perfect sense to him. His emotions did not come until much, much later. It was all methodical analysis of the physical part. As I said, I don't really have advice but just wanted to share that my kiddos had their own time frames and their own ways of dealing with the loss and they both showed me what they needed along that path with their behavior, their needs, their eyes and those quiet conversations in the dark at bedtime. You'll know what to do. Trust yourself. And make sure you take time to grieve yourself, both alone and with your kids. So sorry this has happened.....
ReplyDeleteFirst, I'm so very sorry for your loss. You FIL sounded like an amazing man.
ReplyDeleteSecond, I don't necessarily have any advice for ASD children and death specifically, but perhaps there is something in his life, like Star Wars, that you can use as a prop/tool to help explain it. Has he seen any of the movies? I'm thinking in particular of Return of the Jedi, where Obi Wan & the dudes appear as an apparition of sorts, and they are at peace.
Just a thought.
Again - I'm so sorry for your family's loss.
I'm sorry for your loss. Grief is a bumpy road with unexpected turns, but you know how to handle that kind of road, don't you.
ReplyDeleteWe went through a similar loss a year ago when my father passed away. We had just moved to a new state, and three months later, half the reason we moved, passed away. My son, high functioning Aspie, has a great support system at school. His special ed teacher made a social story for "when a loved one is sick" because we were visiting my dad daily in the hospital. We did not make one for when he died, and I wish we did. I would have included: unexpected waves of sadness, going to a wake, going to a religious mass, going to the graveyard, what cremation means. All sorts of new experiences. My son really doesn't express much emotion, but it pops up every now and then. I think the concept of death is beyond his reach at his age, but there are lots of questions about it in an attempt to understand. Make sure his teachers know what's going on, and ask if someone can put together a social story. Between relocating, new school and now death, SO MUCH GOING ON, it's hard to know what the root cause of anxiety might be. Good luck.
I'm working on my Master's in Counseling and have found this book helpful with working with children. You might be able to take bits and pieces and tailor it to fit your sons needs. However, this book might be helpful for your other children as well. Help Me Say Goodbye: Activities for Helping Kids Cope When a Special Person Dies
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We explained it to our son as batteries running out. He was familiar with this concept because of the iPad's battery level - and a couple of battery powered toys.
ReplyDeleteWe told him they would try to recharge the batteries (why his abuelo was in the hospital), but sometimes it didn't work & the batteries would die. Just like the iPad wouldn't come back on - his grandad wouldn't come back either.
It sounds harsh, but it seemed to really make sense to him. And he was sad about it too.
I think you've gotten some great advice here. The only thing I have to add is to be prepared to have to revisit and talk over the death at the most unexpected times over the years. My ASD son was 7 when his great-grandmother died. At the time, he didn't have much to say about it--he said he was sad, but he didn't cry, and it didn't seem to affect him much. But as time as gone by, out of nowhere he'll bring up her death and want to talk about it. I guess in a way this isn't surprising--I think lots of autistic/Aspie kids process things off and on over a long time.
ReplyDeleteOf course, he always seems to bring it up when I'm most tired, or in another mental place altogether, or really not up for it. And a lot of the questions are very physical--about the body or the coffin or whatever--and I find these very hard to answer. That's just not something I want to dwell on! But it seems to help him understand the finality of death. We're Christian, so we've talked about how we believe that great-grandmother is with God, but this initially led to a lot of questions like "So can she come visit us?" And I've tried not to be afraid to say "I don't know" to a lot of the heavy duty theological questions. My own ideas about what happens when you die are fuzzy and confused to the extreme, and I'm not going to fake some surety I don't possess.
It's hard, and it's extra-special hard because you're grieving too. I'm so sorry for your family's loss. Take care.
Ok--my son is on the spectrum with severe sensory issues, and death is a hard one for him. We've lost a cat and a great-great grandma so far, and are getting ready to lose a great-grandpa.
ReplyDeleteHere's what he found himself that helps:
We have photos of him doing something with the person he has lost or is losing, and he says good-night to them when he feels the need (this works with his cousins whom my sister has refused to allow us to see in the last two years also--he was very close with them).
Also, he constructed a Lego grave (green legos) with flowers and a white cross for the cat. I don't know why the cat needed that, but it worked for him to work out his grief. When he sees it (it is *not* allowed to be disassembled), he always says, "I miss Phebe, but the Legos help me remember her."
Most importantly, while I didn't push him to talk about it, I do regularly mention them to give him the opportunity to be able to talk about it as he needs to. It often pops up at bedtime--he'll just not be able to settle even with the weighted blanket and all the routine done well. It will often appear as him fighting us in the routine, but if I take a breath and ask if he needs to talk, he usually bursts into tears and just says that he misses So-and-so so much! I just hold him, let him cry, acknowledge that he misses them and so do I, and usually I cry with him. After about 10 minutes, he'll usually settle down, and fall right to sleep after that. Then it won't come up again for weeks.
Btw--he's 9.5 years old now, and he lost his Great-Great-Grandma when he was 4.5 years old. So be prepared for a lengthy time frame with this. Occasionally, it happens in the car out of the blue. Something will remind him or it'll just pop into his brain.
Hope some of that may be helpful...
So sorry for your loss. My kids have been lucky enough not to have to deal with this kind of loss yet, so I have no advice. Just wanted to express my sympathy and tell you I am sending good thoughts your way as you try to help your children through this difficult time.
ReplyDeleteWe are fortunate that we haven't had to deal with this yet. But I am grateful that you are writing about this and I hope that you share what works and doesn't in the next weeks and months (or longer) to come. I think other autism bloggers may be the best source of info out there.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry for your family's loss.
I'm sorry for your loss. While I have two children with Autism, the last time there was a death close to the family was when my grandmother passed away in 2006. My oldest was 2 1/2, and my youngest was 3 1/2 months, and neither of them really 'processed' it at all, as far as I know.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I really have no suggestions, but I agree with you 100% about advice and Autism. It is totally hit or miss (and about 99% of the time it's a miss), and it really does get to the point that you just want to all out smack the next person who tries to give you advice.
I know this isn't the same, but our beloved cat died a few months ago. Two of my kids were sad, asked questions, etc. My 6 yo Aspie never seemed upset, didn't cry, etc. He was just matter-of-fact about it. Then a month later, out of the blue he says,"It's a good thing the cat is gone as I wouldn't want her to ruin our new rugs" (we had just had new rugs installed). I was horrified! But then I explained to him that if she still was there, I wouldn't mind at all if she ruined the rugs because I loved her. This seemed to open the discussion a bit. For him, it was just so straightforward: she was alive and now she is dead.
ReplyDeleteI cried a lot and he did ask why I kept crying, so I was careful (and gentle) to explain to him each time *why* - and with more explanation than just "I'm sad." I try to keep in mind how literal he is and explain it in a way that would make sense to him.
Oh, and what confused hubby & I the most was last summer, just before he turned 6, my son's pet grasshopper that he had been caring for (for 5 whole days!) died, and he was devastated for weeks. Sobbing, not understanding what happened, etc. So we were just so confused why when a pet he had had his entire life died (you know, 6 years vs. 5 days?!?!) he barely batted an eye. Maybe he just got it the second time around and just understood she's gone and not coming back.
Sorry that's not terribly helpful. Just hang in there and be patient - he'll (hopefully) let you know when/if he needs to talk.
grief is important and not grieving can lead down the path of destruction. When our Dog died, my Dear Daughter refused to talk about it. If I brought up the dog dying she talked about swimming. She also was extremely mad at me for a long time. She would steal things from me and or cut up my stuff with her scissors You see I was the one who took the Dog to the vet. So its all my fault. Once (8 months later) I got her to actually talk about how she felt about his death. She cried and it finally all came out. Even tho we had made suer she had an open forum to talk about it it was a long time coming out. and lots of weird behaviors were linked to it.
ReplyDeleteHaving a treasure box that helps them remeber him and that its not a topic to be avoided, and they can explore their emotions is a wonderful Idea.
My 9yr old nephew with ASD, lost his uncle a year ago. His initial reaction was to cry. Recently he was talking to a boy at school (about his uncle) and began to sob. He then asked his mom (my sister)if she could help him write a letter to uncle Dale. Writing a letter seemed to help my nephew a lot with the grieving process.
ReplyDeleteI'm really sorry, and I'm interested to hear what other (actual) ASD parents have to say about it. We haven't dealt with this yet. The closest we've come to dealing with grief (and it's not remotely close, really) is my sister moving to another state. My son is quite attached to her, and it's been hard on him for her to suddenly be out of his life. He's not very interested in talking to her on the phone or seeing pics on Facebook or anything like that.
ReplyDeletemy condolences to you and your family.
ReplyDeleteTwo years ago this week, my father in law passed away after a five year struggle with cancer. My son was seven. They had a very close relationship, my son spending time with him daily, napping with him, singing to him when he was noncommunicative the last few days. Prior to his grandfather's death, my son had experienced some occassional "quirky" outbursts at school, but had no 'official diagnoses'. This was certainly a life changing event for all of us. My son shut down, refused to cry, refused to speak. After returning to school the following week his behaviors escalated, he ran away from school, literally tore up his classroom, threatened to harm himself and attempted to do so in class with a pair of scissors. An ER visit to the hospital gave us the option of admitting him for observation or a referral to "play therapy". After 6wks of therapy, where he refused to participate, we were referred to a child psychiatrist and psychologist. We did everything we could think of to help him through the grieving process. We let him draw macabre pictures of his name on tombstones, we permitted him to talk about his feelings however he chose, he carried around (and slept with) a small urn with his grandfather's cremains. He didn't know how to identify what he felt and he didn't know how to express it in a manner we would think "appropriate". Was talking about Grandpa okay? Was crying okay? No matter how we tried to assure him it was, I'm convinced he didn't want to do something 'wrong', so he did nothing at all until he could hold it in no longer and the meltdowns ensued. I don't have an answer, I'm sorry. During this four month period, my son was ultimately diagnosed with High Functioning Autism, likely Aspergers and ADD. We learned, early on it seems, to allow him to grieve the way he needs to, as long as he is safe while doing so. Our Hospice nurse provided us with the book, The Next Place and we incorporated "angel gifts" from Grandpa so the kids would understand he was still a part of their lives. Follow your heart to guide your children through their grieving process. You understand your children and their needs best. My thoughts go out to you.
When Great Grandmom died, we just told Luke the truth. He was very curious. Wanted to know about the embalming process, what happened to bodies when they decompose and about the afterlife. It was hard but he was matter of fact adn interested. He eventually was sad. He was sadder when our beloved dog died and we had similar conversations about cremation and whatnot. It was hard but he cried for about five minutes. The good news is that he has the ability to detach himself emotionally. The bad news is that he doesn't process it for a long time afterwards. Which might be good.
ReplyDeleteAmy is a genius. I feel EXACTLY the same way.
Little Dude may be worried that you and his dad are going to die soon -- which causes a lot of stress. With his dad away, it may be intensified. Physical presence can be really calming. Maybe working out extra time to be together, and answer his questions with gentle truth, will help.
ReplyDeleteTime+love+time+love+time+love....
Time and distractions are only known eases for this. As well as avoiding inflicting further trauma...such as chicken burials. Seriously...
ReplyDeleteWhen my ASD daughter was 16 months old her father went to prison for 6 years on a duii crash that injured another person. Until then she had been a very difficult baby but not yet diagnosed (though the ped had wondered). After her father was gone, all of her difficult behavior changed from being directed outwardly into the general atmosphere, to being directed right at me. She is over 3 1/2 now, still directs all of her inner and environmental conflict right at me, and now that our dog has passed away, it is even worse. I suspect she thinks I took away her dad and dog, because I take her to see her dad, and she might think I can take her to see her dog too because I told her about doggy heaven and we read a book about it. She wants to go there now and play with her dog and the other dogs. It's hard to be sure what she's thinking because she struggles with spontaneous language, and her responses indicate that she struggles to understand what I say. She is also a concrete thinker and death is way too abstract. I picked out a new companion dog for us and they have a fun time together, but she still talks about our old dog like she's coming back, and role plays with her toys about her dog and dad, and it's just really sad because I can't fix the situation or her feelings, but then I get tired of being the constant punching bag too.
My sympathies to you and the Professor and the children. I have no advice, although others have made some wonderful suggestions I need to remember, and I bookmarked "The Next Place" to check out. The biggest thing is what's already been said: you know your children the best and can pick up their cues like no one else. Good luck and don't forget to tend to yourself too.
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WV: acche - we all acche for you.
You've gotten some really neat advice here (I especially like the Star Wars advice).
ReplyDeleteUm. Am I an awful person for laughing my butt off at the "burying the chicken" thing? Because I thought is was hilariously awful and then remembered that your father in law died and felt bad.
My sympathies to your family; I'm sad for your sadness and loss. Two books that helped my aspie son are Lifetimes by Bryan Mellonie and When Dinosaurs Die: A Guide to Understanding Death by Laurie Brown. The last one uses illustrations of dinos who are people like and it especially rocks because it covers different belief systems, that no one knows for sure, and what people who are missing someone dead may feel or experience (helpful in explaining mom and dad's sadness). Son was 4 when his Grandpop died of cancer. He "got" the first book more completely than the second, but the second is not without merit and is helpful to grammar to middle school aged kiddos. (((SRMM)))
ReplyDeleteI am sooo sorry for your loss as well. And I want to meet Pregnant Chicken for her Parenthood comments. (I mean, AREN'T ALL kids with ASD the SAME? Can't we work with them the SAME way?)
ReplyDeleteI just want to reiterate the "timing" piece. My brother in law has Asp and moved in with us when his father died. (Mother passed away when he was 13.) He was processing things for a very long time. Unfortunately, we didn't know ANYTHING about ASD at that time, so he drank quite a bit to ease the pain. One phrase that's been extremely helpful is "everything is going to be ok." (It might not be ok right this very second, but it IS GOING to be ok.) For some reason, this has brought rest to him, my friend with Asp, and my two youngest kids with ASD.
Sounds to me like you're doing everything right--even though you might not think so :)
Good luck in the days ahead.
Im so sorry for your loss!!
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We dealt two years ago (March 16) with a murder of an infant committed by his father in our family. The child was my great nephew. My aspie son was 10 at the time. Two years later and none of us are over it. Not sure we ever will be. The same year, we lost a grandfather, a cousin, and several family friends. 2009 was a horrific year. Every now and again, the anxieties of that year (always feeling like death was around the corner) come back to haunt my son. Our dog died this past December and it seems to have triggered a new wave of anxiety for him. Now every time a sibling gets sick, he is very worried. We have a nasty virus going around our house and my five year old has a high fever today... My 12 year old told me today that he has "a brain full of negative thoughts.". When he explained, he said that because brother is sick, he thinks brother might die. I told him his brother is fine. Just sick. Now, the biggest issue is that he appears to have inherited both my husband's asperger,s and my anxiety disorder. Because since my great nephew's murder, I find myself going to my almost three year old's room in the morning fearing that he is dead. And I am sleeping on the couch with the feverish five year old to watch him closely... And when the 8 year old went to bed tonight, I noticed she too is a bit feverish and am worried about her too. Having dealt with a grieving aspie for two years now,I can tell you, it does get better, but as with anything else with ASDs, it comes back around and they perseverate on it until you just want to poke them. My husband deals with it by repression. My son hasn't learned the proper coping mechanism yet.
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry for your loss! :-/
ReplyDeleteDeath is such a tough thing for everyone let alone JEDIs! My son (ADHD/SPD)lost both his grandmother and grandfather (on his fathers side) and he had a really hard time with it. We just kept telling him over and over that they were in heaven with the angels and if he needed to talk to them he could do so and they would listen. He was only 5 at the time but he eventually seemed to somewhat understand. I wish you the best of luck and again so sorry for your loss!
I'm adult aspie. I remember losing my Grandfather when I was young. He had a stroke 2 days after his 65th Birthday. He was my favorite person in the world. We were both born in November 2 days apart. I wasn't ready for him to go. I personally never bought the heaven story. I went to church every Sunday, but I just felt like it was something grown-ups said to try & make you feel better. It wasn't true. It wasn't logical. I know little dude loves Star Wars & so do I & so did I when I was small. I did however, totally like to think that my Grandfather had become one with the force like Anakin, Ben Kenobi & Yoda. Somehow, somewhere, he was still out there & maybe if I became a good enough Jedi then one day, maybe he would show up all sparkly. Sometimes, after he was dead, I would think about him helping me, like Ben helped Luke in the trench battle when he says, "Use the Force, Luke." I know nothing about raising children, but I do know that Star Wars really helped me. Perhaps sitting down & watching it with Little Dude (especially Return of the Jedi)will help.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry for your loss. I'm a new follower & am still catching up on your posts from the very beginning. Is it terrible that I laughed at the chicken idea? I realize that this is supposed to be a serious post, but that just tickled my funny bone. Anyway, I'm one of those people who laughs to keep from having a sobbing meltdown, so hopefully you're not offended.
ReplyDeleteI don't really have any suggestions that haven't already been mentioned, but I did want to pass on my sympathy. It is never easy to lose a loved one, whether you're on the spectrum or not. Every person grieves differently.
You seem to be doing a terrific job helping your kiddos deal with this loss & I hope that your family gets through this hard time.
I realize this is a year later, but I wanted to share something I found in one of my google searches: http://www.pathfindersforautism.org/articles/view/parent-tips-death-and-grieving
ReplyDeleteAt the bottom of the article it has a link to a sample social story that I think is actually really good. Definitely better than the chicken idea.